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« Thread started on: Sep 28th, 2006, 4:03pm »

(The following Case Study is reprinted from the BYC Emergency forum with the kind permission of the board owner)

Atha Chick that can't peep?
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I posted early I'm having hatching problem. Today a chick hatched that was still attatched to the membrane. I did what it says to do on this site: cut the cord off and tie it. The chick was able to peep before it actually hatched, but now it isn't making any noise. Does anyone know why this might be?


Ditz Re: Chick that can't peep?
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Atha, I'm going to slide this over to emergencies seeing as you haven't gotten a response to your post. Sorry, I've never experienced anything like this & hope it's not too late for help.


Atha Re: Chick that can't peep?
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Thank-you for moving it.

I can't figure out why it's doing this...instead of peeping it's 'clicking'...It was fine inside the egg. But like all of the others, it got stuck (due to the weather going crazy for the past month). Like all of the others, I pulled it out. Could I have damaged it?

It's also got this strange move to it (convulsive jerks of the head and wiggling.)

Another note: it was peeping inside the egg. When I took it out, it still had an veiny-yolkish thing attatched to its naval. I took that out because it was keeping the naval open.
If someone knows what to do, please let me know.


dlhuni Re: Chick that can't peep?
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I believe you need to FIRST tie off the cord and THEN cut it...(I am assuming you did this but you did state it the opposite so....)...that "clicking sound you heard ...I have definitely read something and it meant something specific...I am going to go look for it now...something has gone wrong I fear from what you have said...I will post as soon as I find...Diana
P.S. Here is a REALLY great comprehensive article from the univ. of Mississippi on THE AVIAN EMBRYO covering all aspects of the embryo but also incubation and great tips on incubators and a few on what could have gone wrong and how to prevent...
www.msstate.edu/dept/poul...ianemb.htm


Atha Re: Chick that can't peep?
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Sorry, I did say that in reverse, didn't I? I meant tied it off then cut it. Okay, keep me posted.


dlhuni Re: Chick that can't peep?
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now the link below is on aspergillosis...fungal spores and on the unlikely however ever possible chance it may have something to do with this I am posting (as aspergillosis is so incredibly common it wouldn't hurt to inform yourself about this anyway)...main thing is that article I am looking for that mention the clicking sound was something about fluid/exucate in the airsacs causing the "clicking" sound...this article mentions that too (I think I am looking for one on bacterial infection though)...here it is...I am still looking for you...
www3.sympatico.ca/davehan...rgill.html
dlhuni Re: Chick that can't peep?
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okay...here is the section I remeber reading...(from the same site)...the strange head movements are probably due to brain damage from oxygen deprivation...

"Another affection which may be considered here is so called "cardiac asthma". With a failing heart, the pulmonary blood pressure is so low that it is insufficient to overcome the resistance of capillary and venous blood accumulating in the lungs. Since the right ventricle cannot adequately force blood into the lungs, the right auricle cannot receive blood from the body. The slowing of the blood flow in the lungs allows tissue fluid to leave the arteries but not flow back fast enough into the veins. The congested lungs therefore become water-logged and cannot function properly in oxygen and carbon dioxide exchanges. The poorly aerated blood creates an "air hunger", which in turn leads to panting and gasping. Wheezy lung sounds can be heard on holding the side of the bird's breast or its back against the ear. Loud clicking sounds which may also be heard are almost certainly pieces of loosely attached exudate or airsac walls expanding and closing with each respiration. If no improvement occurs damage to the brain rapidly follows owing to lack of oxygenation from the blood. Obese birds are most commonly affected, but difficulty in breathing soon causes loss of weight and in some cases leads to emaciation. Treatment is unlikely to have much effect but should be along the lines indicated for circulatory disease. "


Atha Re: Chick that can't peep?
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/O_O\

Thank-you for the diaginosis. This chick has all of the symptoms.
Is there anything I can do?


dlhuni Re: Chick that can't peep?
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I will post this too but please note that no mention is made of the head movements you reported (whereas my last posting did)....
(from the same site as the last two postings)
INFLAMMATION of The Airsacs (AIRSACCULITIS):
"Several species of bacteria, fungi (especially Aspergillus fumigatus) and some mites are capable of producing exudates which cause the walls of the airsacs to adhere to each other. In some instances, masses of cheesy, yellowish material are formed. Visceral gout may also produce whitish deposits on the walls of the airsacs, but this cannot be diagnosed during life. Obstruction of the airflow by adhesion of the opposed walls of the airsacs or by accumulation of exudates severely interferes with the mechanism of respiration. Although the bird may not appear to be very ill and may eat well and be lively, its breathing becomes heavy, its tail pumps noticeably up and down, it loses weight, and clicking sounds during breathing may be heard some distance away. After quite brief exercise, particularly flight, respiration becomes very distressed for a time and the heart rate greatly increased. Unless there is also a generalised infection present, the bird usually recovers within a few minutes. In the live bird the cause of airsacculitis is rarely ascertained. It is usually chronic, and respiratory trouble can exist for months or even years before causing death. If such an affected bird contracts pneumonia or an acute infection, it is of course serious and frequently fatal. Treatment seldom has any effect on chronic airsac disease."

Here is a comprehensive article on the condition incl. treatment and prevention
www.vetcareindia.com/halc...smosis.htm

And it has been mentioned that with such respiratory disease that NEBULIZATION with the med is VERY effective and have read many using this method with oxine or Baytril (enrofloxin)
"The study conducted by Dr. Glisson showed that when evaluating treatment options, Baytril was the only antibiotic found to be effective in eliminating air sacculitis from broiler chickens."


dlhuni Re: Chick that can't peep?
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I could not begin to advise you...I am not a vet...what I THINK is that unless you have a nebulizer and access to some Baytril to use with it ... What concerns me is the jerky head movements you reported which is a neurological symptom and would seem to tie in with severe oxygen deprivation...that makes it appear grim ... I am so sorry but I just am not so optimistic on this one but on the other hand I only am going on what you have reported...only you are in a position to really make the better diagnosis based on the info I have provided...I wish I could do more (((hugs)))...Diana

Atha Re: Chick that can't peep?
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Thank-you very much.

(EDIT:No update was forthcoming on this thread)
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